SANDERS: What, exactly, drew you to this type of work?
HAMILTON BROWN: The fact that I was a schoolteacher,
and was due to make $2600 a year for teaching school, and the Secret Service was
going to pay me $5500.
SANDERS: What year was this?
HAMILTON BROWN: In 1960.
MALCOLM LANDRY: One of the things I tell young men and
women considering this for a career is, this job affords one a variety of work
and a lot of independence. That’s what I think a lot of us get a charge out of.
GAYLE MOORE: I decided in high school that law
enforcement was an exciting arena for women. In the late sixties, early
seventies, women were just being allowed to become police officers and carry
firearms. I progressed from being a police officer to a state trooper to the
federal level.
SANDERS: How did your preconceived notion of it differ
from the reality?
HAMILTON BROWN: I didn’t know anything at all about the
Secret Service when I came in, but you learn pretty quick. I came in with an
open mind and kept an open mind.
SANDERS: When did women begin serving in the
organization?
GAYLE MOORE: The first women were hired in 1970. I
started federally in 1979, with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. I
transferred over to the Service in 1982.
SANDERS: What are the requirements like?
FRANK O’DONNELL: Typically, we take people who are at
least twenty-five, people who have done a few years of police work, or in some
computer field. We take teachers, any number of other people.
SANDERS: Do they like you to have a law degree, like
the FBI does?
HAMILTON BROWN: No, that’s not a requirement with us.
MALCOLM LANDRY: Really, there’s three requirements —
you must be at least twenty-one and not yet thirty-seven, no extensive use of
illegal drugs in your background, and have a four-year college degree. It’s
really about the focus an individual has — you can’t teach it. Local law
enforcement experience is invaluable — police work, probation officer, things
like that.
SANDERS: So if someone comes in and says they want to
join, what happens from there?
MALCOLM LANDRY: The sequence goes this way: complete an
application, we review it. Then we’re gonna put the computer on you, run you
from here to there, see what kicks up. If we like what we see we’ll invite you
in for an initial interview. If that goes well you’re asked to sign waiver forms
for polygraph and drug tests, if that should come up down the line. If the
interview comes up above average, you take the Treasury Enforcement Agent Exam.
If you pass it, 70 or above, you’re invited in for another review and a ‘panel.’
That’s another interview, with three agents. If two of them rate you as above
average or better, then all the paperwork is sent to Headquarters. Usually, they
go along with our recommendations. There’s a polygraph, and a physical.
SANDERS: By the time you’re given a badge, how long is
it since you first applied?
FRANK O’DONNELL: The process is nine months to a year.
I’ve been on the job over twenty-three years, and I remember vividly, it took
about eleven months.
SANDERS: How much can you tell us about the training?
GAYLE MOORE: Your first year is in a probationary
status, and most of that time is spent going to school. Initially, all of our
agents go to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, which is located in
Georgia. They attend an eight-week-long Criminal Investigators School. Then,
after you graduate from FLETC, special agent trainees are sent to the Secret
Service Training School, which is located in Beltsville, Maryland. There they
receive another twelve weeks of specialized Secret Service training.
SANDERS: Apart from working protection details and the
like, what else is taught there? Special driving courses, marksmanship, things
like that?
GAYLE MOORE: Certainly, we capitalize on driving,
especially protective vehicles in motorcade situations, that kind of thing. But
a lot of the emphasis is put on the different jurisdictions we’re responsible
for. In the financial crimes arena, our agents have to become experts on
counterfeit currency. They need to learn about credit card fraud, and different
financial-institution fraud schemes that are going on. All of those things that
are unique to the mission of the Secret Service.
SANDERS: So, learning to protect the president is
really just a fraction of what you’re learning there.
GAYLE MOORE: Correct. Then, after all of the formal
schooling, it really takes an agent three or four years of on the job experience
to really begin feel comfortable and truly competent with all the things we do.
SANDERS: How were you selected for presidential
details?
HAMILTON BROWN: In those days, it wasn’t a question of
being selected. If there was an opening on a presidential detail, and you were
young and single, that’s where you went. I was on them from 1962 to 1970. Today,
an agent will put in five or six years at field offices around the country, then
as part of their career development be assigned to the presidential protective
division, or the vice-presidential protective division, or the foreign dignitary
division.
MALCOLM LANDRY: That stint, on a permanent protection
assignment, lasts two to five years. Then you rotate back out to the field.
SANDERS: There’s probably no such thing as a "typical
day" in your job, but take us through what might happen on a day when the
president is home at the White House. What is your day like? You get there, and
what happens?
HAMILTON BROWN: If you’re, say, just a grunt, not a
Shift Supervisor or anything, just a grunt, you show up to work, and there’s
various posts around the White House that have to be manned by our agents.
Uniformed Division officers also man posts. So you go to one post, and you’re
usually there for a certain period of time, then you rotate to another one. It’s
sort of around-the-horn like that until the end of your shift.
SANDERS: Now take us through a day on the road.
HAMILTON BROWN: If the president’s traveling and you’re
part of the working shift, it varies greatly, because if he’s going out, say, to
Los Angeles, the Rose Bowl, you’re working the follow-up cars, you’re in very
close proximity to the president during that time. Now, if he goes to the
Century Plaza Hotel or wherever he’s staying, he is back in his house, so to
speak, and again you have the post rotation around the rooms that he’s in.
MALCOLM LANDRY: We’ll send agents from here in Los
Angeles, and other offices, to support the regular protection detail when the
president travels.
SANDERS: Explain particular challenges of each
president you worked for.
FRANK O’DONNELL: A lot of it depends on the age of the
protectee. President Reagan, who didn’t even run until he was sixty-nine years
old, you know, was not as active. Whereas President Clinton, young guy,
extremely active, travels a lot more.
SANDERS: Or George Bush, as president he was all over
the place, the Service must have been on the road all the time with him.
FRANK O’DONNELL: He can’t hold a candle to President
Clinton, though. He’s broken just about every travel record.
HAMILTON BROWN: They’re all different. Different
personalities, different makeup, different politics, everything. You learn
pretty quickly that you don’t get caught up in the president’s life. You’re
there for a specific purpose, you’re not there to play politics, you’re not
there to have a personality conflict, or to have a personal relationship with
the president. You’re there to protect his life, and that’s the one function
that you have.
FRANK O’DONNELL: You do have a bond with these
protectees, you’re with them day in, day out, you get to be like family, in a
lot of respects.
SANDERS: How could you not? You look after this man for
years on end, you watch his kids grow up, you see him fight with his wife, or
whatever happens... how could you not develop some kind of an attachment, when
your whole livelihood is looking after this person and his family?
FRANK O’DONNELL: There is that objectivity, do your
job, be aloof. On the other hand you’re there with them, and it can take on a
different life as well.
SANDERS: During the proceedings against President
Clinton, his Secret Service agents were forced to testify about him, against
their wishes. The agents protested that forcing them to divulge what they had
seen or heard during their time with the president would make it difficult for
future chief executives to be able to completely trust them, which in turn would
make it more difficult to protect them. Would you say there’s, almost, a sort of
sacred trust between agent and president?
FRANK O’DONNELL: Yes, there is.
SANDERS: Four agents who were on the Kennedy detail --
not Agent Brown, but four others -- talked on the record to a reporter named
Seymour Hersh for a book called The Dark Side of Camelot. These agents,
they alleged what amounted to some steep indiscretions by President Kennedy. How
does what they said to this reporter square with that trust?
FRANK O’DONNELL: I just know that some other agents had
a lot of heartburn with what they said.
SANDERS: How difficult is the travel with the job, if
you’ve got a family?
HAMILTON BROWN: Quite a bit. I don’t know what the
divorce rate is with the agents, but I would suspect it would be like it is in
most police agencies, on the high scale. Most wives can adapt to the fact that
their husbands are not there. And now, you know, we have a lot of women in the
Secret Service, and their husbands, I imagine, have to adapt too. It’s not nice
to have your spouse gone a pretty big percentage of the time, especially in a
campaign year.
MALCOLM LANDRY: I’ve been married thirty years. Back in
Agent Brown’s day, they had, what, 300 agents?
HAMILTON BROWN: We were spread a little thin. There
really wasn’t an increase in our numbers until after the Kennedy assassination
in 1963.
MALCOLM LANDRY: They do a rotational thing now so
agents don’t get beat up as much. A lot of them start liking that travel and
start volunteering for it all the time.
GAYLE MOORE: This is not a nine to five job. I think
that’s one of the reasons why it may not be as attractive to women as other
federal law enforcement agencies. We work shift work, we travel all the time.
The hours are long and intensive. Our job is totally dictated, at least from the
protection side of the house, by the schedules of the people that we protect.
This is a killer, labor-intensive job. And it’s not a real family-friendly job,
which is why we’re very careful in recruiting applicants and hiring people, so
that everyone in their lives knows what they’re getting involved in. And the
fact that they’re gonna miss holidays and birthdays and anniversaries, that
they’re gonna be transferred, that there’s gonna be twenty-one-day rotations
without a day off, away from home, during the campaign season. It’s not an easy
career.
SANDERS (to Gayle Moore): Is a lot of the public
unaware that the Secret Service hires women to be agents?
GAYLE MOORE: That’s true, really. There were only ten
of us when I came over from ATF. And now there are, I believe, about 260 of us,
which out of 2000 isn’t a lot, but to us it’s incredible. We’ve grown a lot.
SANDERS: What kind of planning goes into a presidential
campaign by your agency?
MALCOLM LANDRY: Oh, big time, let me give you an
example. The Democratic National Convention that’s going to be in Los Angeles?
We started working on that a year ago -- two years before the event. We already
have on reservation a thousand rooms for the agents who’ll be flying in. It’s
kind of like a Broadway show, you rehearse and rehearse, then you bring it to
Broadway.
HAMILTON BROWN: The Secret Service today has a separate
division for campaigns, and we plan these things out from one campaign to the
next. That’s a seven-day-a-week, twenty-four-hour job, and you just keep on top
of it.
SANDERS: Another interview we did recently was with a
television network cameraman, and he expressed considerable admiration for your
people. But he also talked about an appearance by Al Gore that he worked where
the vice president spontaneously went into the crowd to comfort an upset young
woman, and how he could tell the Secret Service guys were ‘losing it,’ as he put
it. What goes through your mind when a person you’re guarding goes right into a
crowd like that?
HAMILTON BROWN: Well, most presidents and vice
presidents do impromptu things all the time. So this is really no surprise to
the agents. I would doubt very seriously if they were upset, because this stuff
does happen. What you do is, you go into the crowd with your protectee, and you
start looking for people that don’t belong there. Hopefully in a crowd like
that, everybody went through a magnetometer, and their bags were checked in a
fluoroscope, so you feel pretty confident there’s no weapons in the room. But
when something like this happens, you look at people’s faces to see if they’re,
you know, goofy. Then you start looking at hands. Because faces don’t kill
anybody — hands do.
SANDERS: How did the JFK assassination change your
agency?
HAMILTON BROWN: Well, like I said, when that happened
there were only about 300 of us. Congress realized we had a small agency and we
needed to be upgraded — in manpower, equipment, communications, and all the
facets that go with protection. In 1965 we added about another 400 people, which
more than doubled our size. I think the total makeup of the agent category in
the Secret Service is around 2100. We had to grow up, and we did.
SANDERS: (to Hamilton Brown) You were on John F.
Kennedy’s protective detail. Were you in Dallas on November 22, 1963?
HAMILTON BROWN: No. At the time, I was in Hyannisport,
with the president’s father.
SANDERS: Many years ago on "Sixty Minutes," they did a
very moving segment on Clinton Hill, the Secret Service agent who leaped onto
the Kennedy limousine during the assassination and tried to shield the president
and his wife. It was excruciating to watch — Hill was in tears, blaming himself
for the tragedy. When the... worst-case happens, do agents tend to take it
personally like that?
HAMILTON BROWN: I know Clint very well. Yes, he did
take it very harshly. And it took him a long time to get over it. As a matter of
fact, he told us once that he went back to Dallas. Back in the Seventies I
believe it was, maybe the Eighties. And he walked the route of the motorcade and
Dealey Plaza. And it was only then that he accepted the fact that this would
have happened whether he was there or not. It took a very long time for that to
sink in. But yes, that was a very emotional time for all of us, especially
Clint.
FRANK O’DONNELL: That was just a different time. Not as
many agents, an open limousine... we learn by the crises we live through. You’ll
never see an open limousine again, as a result of that. After Reagan got shot,
all of a sudden we can use magnetometers everywhere. Every time there’s an
incident, we get some of the security we’ve always wanted. Four years ago, we
had two incidents at the White House in a month’s time. An airplane crashed into
the south side of the mansion, and a month later a guy shot up the front of the
White House with an AK-47. For years, we’ve wanted to shut down Pennsylvania
Avenue in front of the White House. And until there’s an incident, it doesn’t
happen.
SANDERS: At what age is an agent removed from active
duty with presidential details?
HAMILTON BROWN: They’re eligible to retire after
twenty-five years.
MALCOLM LANDRY: Right now, you have to retire thirty
days after your fifty-seventh birthday. Mandatory.
SANDERS: What do they typically do then, work in
private industry, or other segments of the government?
HAMILTON BROWN: Some stay in the government, they’re a
prime commodity, with their training and expertise. Some go into private
industry as directors of security for corporations, and are very successful.
MALCOLM LANDRY: The guy who’s head of security for the
new Cleveland Browns, he’s a former agent. I could keep naming ‘em, in
government and civilian agencies. That movie "To Live and Die in L.A." was
written by a former agent, and he’s written about eight books now.
SANDERS: Do presidents and former agents from their
detail often stay in touch after that president leaves office?
FRANK O’DONNELL: Maybe on an isolated basis, but as a
general rule, no.
HAMILTON BROWN: Like I said, we don’t get any warm-and-fuzzies
with most presidents. I know some of our people have stayed in touch with former
presidents, they’ve gotten very close to them. Like Jerry Parr, who saved Mr.
Reagan’s life, Tim McCarthy, who got shot in the Reagan assassination attempt.
Yeah, they stay in touch, I think, and rightfully so. I mean, our guys have put
their lives on the line for these people.
SANDERS: What do you think is the great reward of
Secret Service work, for most agents? This doesn’t strike one as the type of job
where you get rich. What’s the payoff?
HAMILTON BROWN: The people. The people that you’re
agents with, that you work with on a daily basis, you never forget ‘em. The
people you deal with, from presidents down to the people you arrest on the
street.
MALCOLM LANDRY: I have a couple of philosophies on
that. When I recruit I tell people, "You’ll make a decent living, you won’t get
rich. If you want to get rich, play the lottery." The payoff is, again, you’re
afforded a lot of independence. See, you could work on a counterfeit case for
six weeks, by the time you go to trial you’re burnt out. And then they’ll have a
trip coming up — "Hey, the president’s going to Paris next week, would you like
to take that trip?" You go there for a week, you come back rejuvenated.
